Mathias Döpfner, the CEO of Business Insider’s parent company, Axel Springer, recently sat down with Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos to talk about the early days of creating Amazon, what he’s learned since then, how he funds his rocket company, Blue Origin, and what it’s like when the president of the United States is your biggest critic.

The sit-down interview happened in Berlin, where Bezos received the Axel Springer Award 2018.

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